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NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN CONTACT TEAMS website for an overview.
|Hyde Park Neighborhood Contact Team|
|Vice Chair||David Conner|
|Secretary||Lianna Mills and Mity Myhr|
Meeting Announcement for 2014-01-27 + 2 additions
Hyde Park Neighbor Contact Team meeting
Monday January 27, 2014 at 7pm
Trinity United Methodist Church (40 & Speedway).
|Agenda||Abbreviation of links below|
Chris Riley + Staff
before all else]
45 minutes by 10 members with several comments by Chris.
1. Updates on previous actions - Light
A map supplied by Adrian was much discussed. Efforts will be
made to get updates from Scott Morris and Kirk Watson about
effects of the twisty buses and the Medical School. Kevin
Heyburn to take up a mutually hosted meeting about this with
the HPNA Steering Committee.
2. Update on City Land development code
Doris Coward and Karen McGraw want HPNA's work that bares
directly on "Form Based" design sent to the CodeNEXT contractors.
3. Consider initiating NCCD revisions
to clarify that garage regulations also apply to carports.
Addition to Contact Team Meeting Agenda, January 27
Discuss new UT development along Waller Creek
and consider a letter to the City Council and UT officials.
||In view of UT's independent nature we decided
that it best to visit with City flooding expert Steve Shunk
then write a letter to UT based on that advice.
4. Election of Officers
|Chair: Pete Gilcrease, Vice Chair: Lianna Mills,
Secretary: Mity Myhr
New Business Addition: Discuss
proposed occupancy limits and consider a resolution.
||No resolution was made.
Note that the next meeting will be April 28, 2014.
Chair Karen McGraw called the meeting to order about 7:05pm. Attendance was
taken, 19 voting members + 2 visitors: Chris Riley and a staff member whose
name I failed to record. To general agreement Karen gave Austin Councilman
Riley the floor.
Councilman Riley addressed the meeting asking for our
thoughts about the "Occupancy Limits issue". What followed was a conversation
chaired by Karen McGraw who gave various members the floor. Here is a gist of
We thanked Councilman Riley for his time and attention and moved on to the
- Karen McGraw - Events circa 2003 around Lee Elementary resulted in
stopping the creations of 12 bedroom duplexes.
- Councilman Riley - Current rules and proposals about duplexes are
still not clear. Some propose 4 bedrooms for the whole of any new duplex
construction. College age students have complained about the small number.
Now I am hearing more complaints. The proposed train corridor is stirring
the mix. Should higher density be allowed/encouraged along the eventual
route? What conditions could/should warrant higher density? Grandfathering
is pretty much a forgone conclusion. [Ed: What of the probable sudden census of
"young" grandfathers?] The next general public airing will be March 31, 2014.
- Larry Gilg - 70% of the territory for this Connect Team is not
resident owned. Nearly everyone in this room is part of the other 30%. We
are not representative of the territory. We are a mirror of Hyde Park
Neighborhood Association. The City of Austin has to address that fact and
proactively get repesentation of those others.
- David Conner - Numerous condo "regimes" along 51st street are
duplexes turned condo.
- Karen McGraw - Cited four quite new 6 bedroom duplexes within
a couple blocks of 51st.
- Pete Gilcrease - wondered about the number of bedrooms in new construction
versus how many might occupy those bedrooms. He also asked about enforcment
of city laws relevant to this topic.
- Councilman Riley - Action taken by code enforcement officers is driven
by complaintants. He mentioned that North University is losing several bungalows
- Joe Bedell - No one wants things overly complex. 51st, 38th,
and Duval are all edges to this neighborhood and development has proceeded
along those higher vehicular density thoroughfares.
- Councilman Riley - Concentrate on the structure "form" for those edges to
allow higher density.
- Karen McGraw - Development patterns for duplexes: Ave. A, Guadalupe,
and Speedway already have such density variations. Hyde Park has spoken
on the subject.
- Councilman Riley - Do the developers pay attention?
- Karen McGraw - A little.
- Wanda Penn - Acknowledge the diversity in the kinds of neighborhoods
in Austin. Leave some neighborhoods (this one?) alone. Garage apartments are
ubiquitos. Alley access would need to be approved. Buiding permits are
still way difficult. Please have a standard plan (say 4 of them)!
Apartments have trash everyday not just once a week. Bus lines mean
nothing to us. Students, however, park on our (free) streets and take their
buses to school.
- John Paul Moore - Don't sacrifice bungalows. Please. Enforcement was
the answer to a situation across the street from his house. Corrected by the
owner, but now the house if up for sale -- what now?
- Mike Pikulski - What is the enforcement plan?
- Councilman Riley - Code enforcement knows its really important.
Don't allow construction (via structure design) that makes high occupancy
possible. And stop demolition in all SF zoning. Rental registration for
repeat offenders allowing high occupancy already exists and its use is
ramping up all over the city.
- Debbie ? - Anecdotal evidence: Property managers are paying
attention these days. She had trouble with a super duplex at 507 E. 49th
and it was "handled" promptly. However, the "brown house" at the corner
of Duval was different.
- Pete Gilcrease - Agrees with Wanda. Allow building in smaller
properties. Keep or rebuild bungalows + garage apartments.
- Karen McGraw - Some property tax assessment policies are indefensible.
Apartment complexes have the lowest tax/density, duplexes next lowest,
and homes with garage apartments the highest.
- [Ed: Larry Gilg did not get a chance to suggest a
defense, but told me to see his December Pecan Press article.]
- Wanda Penn - Agreed with Karen.
- Dorothy Richter - Those who desire high density should seek it
elsewhere in the city or beyond. Rooms in duplexes easily turn into bedrooms.
Light rail planning
It looks like there will be a "loop" including Airport to 53rd, then
along Duval. That info came from Adrian Skinner. He posted a map to the
HP list serve on Jan. 17. No one cited the map's lineage.
Scott Morris is among the most knowledgeable on Light Rail. Twisty buses
are a game changer. Karen McGraw asked for Kirk Watson to talk about the
Medical School and its pressure on light rail. Maybe this group can join
HPNA to secure a time and venue for him to tell us more about light rail plans
being considered. This should be before our next meeting which is at the
end of April. Member Kevin Heyburn, also co-president of HPNA, will take
the idea to HPNA at their meeting Feb. 3rd.
City Land development code rewrite
Karen McGraw said that HPNA has studied this issue multiple times over
the years which should be made available to the contractors. Wanda Penn
related a friend's observation that in living East of IH35, north of Mueller,
she has found non-auto transporation along 51st back and forth across IH35
has become more difficult over the last few years.
Karen McGraw said that SF zoning will come in many flavors and include more
"tools". She encourages the rewrite of code not be based "on the ground".
Doris Coward talked about the "Form Based" design for Airport Blvd and
its possible impact on the codeNEXT work.
Karen McGraw said that work done by HPNA in the last 10 years is the best
example of form based design that exists here in Austin.
David Conner said that Thur., Jan. 30th is the next opportunity to see
members of the codeNEXT at the 7pm meeting of the Ridgetop neighborhood.
We were to consider initiating revisions to our NCCD to clarify that
garage regulations also apply to carports. There was no dissention, but
there was no call for action at this time.
UT development along Waller Creek
No one had any hard data about an announcement by UT to do some
(re?)development at their intramural fields along 51st street. Somebody
mentioned synthetic fields. Thanks to several people the name "Steve Shunk"
was remembered as the flooding expert who came to the April 22, 2013
meeting of HPNA. We should ask him if he has heard about this and seen
anything of the plans. Karen McGraw took this as a cue to attempt to drum
up interest among our members to "do" some of this work that we are
generally wanting to do. Help!
Kevin Heyburn alerted members that the HPNA meeting next Monday will be at
the Griffin School which is 1 block east of Duval on 50th. He urged members
to attend because political consultant, David Butts will talk about the new
landscape for District 9 in City Council districting. Further he said (the
point of his statement) HPNA would invite Kirk Watson for the March meeting.
Election of Officers
Larry Gilg exclaimed, "We should thank Karen and David to their service for
us over these several years!" to which an enthusiastic applause was given.
Someone joshed that V.Chair David should run for Chair, and Karen could run
for V.Chair, thereby keeping things much the same. There was a pause and
Karen said she didn't want it. She meant that. She also said she wouldn't
deny us if we voted for such a thing.
David was nominated for Chair and so was Pete Gilcrease. Someone asked for the
nominees to speak to their nominations. We got a good laugh when David said
he wanted to promote "collusion", slapped his brow, "collaboration", but
gaffaws and "this is Austin, not Washington" filled the air. David said he would
use the knowledge gained as DRC chair for HPNA, would be frank, transparent,
and upfront as Chair. Pete, more subdued in his words, said he would focus on
the Neighborhood Plan, the City's reason for forming these Contact Teams. He
said if we vote on something he would poll neighbors and/or get the pulse of
Pete won by a 9 to 6 vote of raised hands.
Larry Gilg nominated Lianna Mills for Vice Chair. Given that Lianna is our
current co-secretary, it is understandable that the only objection I can
recall was from her co-secretary (bemoaning) the increased work load. Lianna
was elected by acclamation.
Likewise, Mity Myhr was (re)elected Secretary, (sole secretary).
Proposed Occupancy Limits
It was pointed out the City Planning Dept. has a meeting Tue., Jan.
28th. There was some confusion and Feb. 13th was mentioned.
Way overtime, the meeting was adjourned, but, as usual many smaller conversations
continued about which no notes were taken.